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Friday, October 16, 2026

Thomas Seymour in The Rape of Lucrece

  

An Interpretation of Page 37 (lines 666-686) of The Rape of Lucrece


This paper presents an interpretation of page 37 (lines 666-686) of Shakespeare’s The Rape of Lucrece that presents possible hidden meanings of the lines.1 The interpretation relies primarily on translating certain key words into Latin and, in a few cases, French, and by tracing the etymology of words. The exercise of translating words into Latin and French is not intended to produce an accurate word-for-word, line-by-line translation of the poem into those languages. In fact, if that were done, the translation would obscure the hidden meaning buried in the poem. The translation exercise simply treats each word to be translated as single isolated words, and no attempt is made to conjugate or determine declensions. Often the translation results need to be combined in various ways to achieve meaning.


This method presupposes that the reader/decipher has some general knowledge of the hidden messages concealed in the poem. In other words, it the messages are meant for someone “in the know.” Specifically, the reader/decipher is presumed to understand that poem hides the fact that Lady Elizabeth Tudor (later Queen Elizabeth) had an illicit sexual relationship with Thomas Seymour, 1st Baron Seymour of Sudeley, Lord High Admiral, and that that relationship produced a child who became Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. The method of interpretation is that the reader/decipher is supposed to transform words, primarily into Latin, to arrive at a meaning that fits the presupposed expectation. Of course, a criticism of this is that the interpretation “cherry-picks” Latin translations to fit a presupposed meaning. The rebuttal to that criticism is “yes, that’s how it works.”


This interpretation presupposes that messages are hidden in the poem, essentially through steganography (i.e., hiding information in plain sight), with the general message known but veiled for plausible deniability by the author and reader. The interpretation is not meant to be a proof of a rigorously applied set of rules for decipherment. The method is not objective. The only evidentiary weight that can be given to the method presented in this paper is to the extent that it reveals a convincing, coherent hidden alternative narrative that fits with the hypothesis that Lady Elizabeth Tutor and Thomas Seymour had a sexual relationship that produced Edward de Vere. Whether the method reveals such a coherent alternative narrative would benefit by application of the method to the entirety of the poem, which is not the purpose of this paper. Since the analysis of just one page of the poem requires many pages, an analysis of the entire poem would be a daunting task that must wait for another time. Even if the task were to be completed, it is doubtful that the results would be considered sufficient evidence convince anyone in the different factions in the very acrimonious Shakespeare authorship battle. So, it is ultimately up to the reader of this paper to decide if the interpretation has any merit.


With that, on to the interpretation.

Lines 666-686 The Rape of Lucrece showing Thomas Seymour acrostic.

The name Seymour, referring to Thomas Seymour, 1st Baron Seymour of Sudeley, is hidden at lines 666-668 of the poem. The name begins at line 666, which is the number of the Antichrist

in the Book of Revelation, so it seems that Thomas Seymour is being compared to the Devil, as is Tarquin later in the poem (see line 847 of the poem, not shown).

The name Seymour can be found in these lines:


So let thy thoughts low vassals to thy state,
No more quoth he, by Heauen I will not heare thee.
Yeeld to my loue, if not inforced hate,
In steed of loues coy tutch shall rudelie teare thee.

 

In particular, the hidden name is centered on these letters:


Seymour Acrostic

The word “No” can be translated into Latin as nullus (null).2 In classical cryptography, a null is an extra character intended to confuse the cryptanalyst. One needs to discard null characters to decrypt the message.3 Therefore, if the word “No” is meant to be read as a null character for decryption, then it can be ignored. (A cancel symbol is shown over the word “No” in the image above to indicate it should be ignored.) When the word is removed, the message reads:


Seymour Acrostic

The solution can be further modified to arrive at the correct spelling of Seymour. The instructions to modify the solution are found in the lines –


So let thy thoughts low vassals to thy state,
No more quoth he, by Heauen I will not heare thee.
Yeeld to my loue, if not inforced hate,
In steed of loues coy tutch shall rudelie teare thee.


The word “love” is amour in French and amor in Latin. If the word “Yeeld” (yield4), in “Yeeld to my love,” is read as an instruction for decipherment and is given the meaning “to give up one’s place to another,” then it allows a word meaning “love,” specifically the French word amour, to be inserted into the decryption, in place of the word “more,” so that the solution becomes—


a Seymour


It might also be possible to include the name Thomas into the solution if the letter Y in “Yeeld” is read as a thorn. A “thorn” can refer to the runic letter รพ, used in Old English, Middle English, and Old Norse manuscripts to represent both the voiceless sound (th) of Modern English thin and the voiced sound (th) of Modern English this.5 In Elizabethan times, the capital letter Y was used to represent a thorn (th). For example, “Ye olde bookshop” is read as “The old bookshop.” Thus, the letters may conceal the name Thomas to reveal the name Thomas Seymour–


S

amour Thomas

Th


Regarding “thornes, it is useful to take a brief detour in the poem. “Thornes” are mentioned in lines 491-494 of the poem:


I see what crosses my attempt will bring,
I know what thornes the growing rose defends,
I thinke the honie garded with a sting,
All this before-hand counsell comprehends.

(Emphasis added.)


The first thing to note is that lines include the words “rose” and “cross.” This is probably a reference to the Rosicricians or the Brotherhood of the Rose Cross. It seems that Edward de Vere was associated with this secret society. Furthermore, the name Seymour is hidden here in the words “I see … sting.” The word “sting” can be translated into Latin as morsus (to sting, bite),6 and when that is combined with “see,” it reveals “see-morsus, a nonsense word that sounds like Seymour. Also, the three capital letter I’s at the beginning of the first three lines look like a Roman numeral three, and the letter C is the third letter of the alphabet, thus C-morsus (Seymour) can be found again. Perhaps the lines are alluding to the fact that the secret of Elizabeth’s (the Tudor Rose) true relationship with Thomas Seymour is being hidden, sub rosa, by Edward de Vere and the Rosicrucian Brotherhood, behind wordplay and symbols like “thornes” in the poem and other works.

1 The page numbering shown (page 37), includes the four introductory pages — title page, blank, dedication, and “The Argument” — in the count. In other words, the first page of the poem is numbered page 5.

2 Charlton T. Lewis, Charles Short,  A Latin Dictionary, nullus. (n.d.). https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0059:entry=nullus.

3 Wikipedia contributors. (2024b, November 29). Null cipher. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_cipher.

4 In the plain meaning of the poem, yield means “to surrender or submit.” Another meaning of yield is “to give forth or supply (a product, result, etc), esp by cultivation, labour, etc; produce or bear.” Therefore, the word yield may allude to producing or bearing a child, specifically Edward de Vere.

5 thorn. (n.d.). In TheFreeDictionary.com. https://www.thefreedictionary.com/thorn.

6 morsus - Wiktionary, the free dictionary. (n.d.). Wiktionary. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/morsus.

Thursday, March 26, 2026

Some Hidden Messages in The Rape of Lucrece

  

In this post I examine page 6 of The Rape of Lucrece.

The solution to this puzzle relies, in part, on the work of the late Alexander Waugh. Mr. Waugh discovered that in the works of Shakespeare the number 1740 is repeatedly encoded. Furthermore, the numbers 17, 40, 57 (17 + 40 = 57), and 1740 are associated with Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. See Mr. Waugh's YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@alexanderwaugh7036; and the video "The Incalculable Genius of John Dee" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-PWR7-0Hp4&t=4s.  The word counts displayed on the image below rely on these numbers.

See also: The Hidden Bard of Love's Labour's Lost

Page 6 of The Rape of Lucrece:

The “VIeR O” Acrostic (page 6) —


Page 6 of The Rape of Lucrece, showing acrostics around line 17 of the poem.

The image above shows the solution of an acrostic beginning at line 17 of The Rape of Lucrece proposed by Anthony Vialon, and who posts as John Anthony on YouTube. John Anthony, https://www.youtube.com/@johnanthony8653. This solution is presented in the video titled New Vere - Shakespeare Authorship Clues, and Trixie the Cat is a Rose Cross. (SNC 70) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhJwKNA1yZE&t=337s.  
 
The solution shows the encoded term “VIeR O,” beginning at line 17, and placed vertically in the first letters of the lines. Vier is German for the number four (4), and by changing the letter “O” to a zero (0), the numbers 4 and 0 are found, encoding the number 40. By combining the numbers 17 and 40, Edward de Vere’s code number 1740 is also encoded in the text. “Reckoning,” the first word of line 19, which means “[the] act of counting or computing, a calculation,” and the last word of the line, “rate,” which means “estimate the worth or value of, reckon by comparative estimation,” hint at these calculations. i, ii
 
i reckoning | Etymology of reckoning by etymonline. (n.d.). Etymonline. https://www.etymonline.com/word/reckoning


ii rate | Etymology of rate by etymonline. (n.d.). Etymonline. https://www.etymonline.com/word/rate#etymonline_v_45459


The Edward de Vere "Vier O" alignment at line 17 on The Rape of Lucrece.



The image above shows another way to that the number 40 is hidden in the text. The letter “A” is equal to one in a simple cipher of the Elizabethan alphabet (A = 1). There are four capital letter “A’s” at the beginning of each line at lines 23 to 26. There are four one’s, so 4 x 1 = 4, then add the zero at the beginning of line 22 (“O” looks like a zero), and the number 40 is found.


Notice also that the four capital letter “A’s” at the beginning of each line at lines 23 to 26 can be seen as two number elevens (11:11), and the final capital “O” falls at the beginning of line 22. In his YouTube videos, Anthony Vialon has suggested that the concept of “Twice Eleven” (i.e., 22) or perhaps the “Twice Eleven Brethren” was a way to refer to the group that placed hidden messages in Shakespeare.

 

 

Explanation Edward de Vere acrostic and clues in The Rape of Lucrece.

The image above highlights additional words and letters that are associated with the “VIeR O” acrostic.

 

Edward de Vere messages at line 17 of The Rape of Lucrece.

 

 



In French, the word “unlocked” is dรฉverrouillรฉ, so it is wordplay on the name de Vere. In Latin, “unlock” is recludo, meaning “unbar, uncover.” Edward de Vere was “barred” from being acknowledged as a Tudor. In heraldry, a bend sinister (sometimes incorrectly termed a “bar sinister”) means:


"The bend sinister, reduced in size to that of a bendlet (narrow) or baton (ending short of the edge of the shield), was one of the commonest brisures (differences) added to the arms of illegitimate offspring of European aristocratic lords… This was the usual mark used to identify illegitimate descendants of the English royal family dating from fifteenth century, as in the arms of Arthur Plantagenet, 1st Viscount Lisle, illegitimate son of Edward IV of England."


Wikipedia contributors. (2025k, January 16). Bend (heraldry). Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bend_(heraldry)

 


A key is required to unlock something. Perhaps “unlock” alludes to a “key” in the form of a simple, reverse, or “Kaye” cipher of the Elizabethan alphabet. However, numerical results are difficult to interpret. Are totals using one method appropriate to apply to a result from a different method? Many different words can have the same numerical result. With those reservations stated, here are some results:

Ciphers of (“VIeR O + 40”) —


In a simple cipher, (“VIeR O + 40”):

 
(V = 20) + (I = 9) + (E = 5) + (R = 17) + (O = 14) + 40 = 105
 
The total value of the letters in OXENFORD in reverse cipher is 105.


In Kaye Cipher, (VIeR), (VIeR O), (VIeR O +40):


(V = 20) + (I = 35) + (E = 31) + (R = 17) = 103

(V = 20) + (I = 35) + (E = 31) + (R = 17) + (O = 14) = 117

(V = 20) + (I = 35) + (E = 31) + (R = 17) + (O = 14) + 40 = 157


The total value of the letters in SHAKESPEARE in simple cipher is 103.

The total value of the letters in ROSI CROSSE in reverse cipher is 117.

The total value of the letters in FRA ROSI CROSSE in simple cipher is 157.


 

 

IEdward de Vere messages at line 17 of The Rape of Lucrece.

 

The word "Kings" (line 20) — 
 
As noted previously, the word “Kings” is the 40th word on this page, and the numbers 40, 17, and 1740 are numbers associated with Edward de Vere by the late Alexander Waugh.  As an experiment, and it’s not clear if this is intended (but if it's not an intentionally placed message, the result is an incredible coincidence), we can perform another mathematical manipulation to find a hidden message based on a clue involving the word "Kings" in line 20.
 
The first thing to note is that “Kings” is the first appearance of the word “King[s]” on the page, so “1 Kings.” Next, there are six words that follow the word “Kings,” so it is possible to create “1 Kings 6,” a chapter in the Old Testament. Coincidentally, 1 Kings 6:17 (a chapter describing the dimensions and construction of the Solomon’s Temple) reads as follows:


17 But the house, that is, the temple before it was fourtie cubites long.

The Geneva Bible 1560 : God : Free download, borrow, and streaming : Internet Archive. (2012, June 12). Internet Archive. (bold added). https://archive.org/details/TheGenevaBible1560/page/n307/mode/2up


Thus, verse 17 of 1 Kings 6 states that the house built by Solomon, that is the Temple, was forty (40) cubits long, so there is a 1740 (Edward de Vere’s code number) found in the verse number and text of the verse.  It is also interesting that the word “Tent” (L., tabernaculum) appears in the first line of the stanza. Solomon’s Temple essentially replaced the Tabernacle (2 Chronicles 5:5) and the tent (tabernacle) David had pitched for the Ark of the Covenant (2 Samuel‬ 6:17).‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬


The above solution also works with the Bible (1586),i and the later King James Bible (1611).ii  However, it does not work with the English Bishops Bible (1572) because the verse is in “3 Kings 6” in that Bible.iii

 

i The bible. 1586 : Bible-ENGLISH : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive. (1586). Internet Archive. https://archive.org/details/bim_early-english-books-1475-1640_the-bible_bible-english_1586/page/n275/mode/2up


ii 1 Kings Chapter 6 (Original 1611 KJV Bible). (n.d.). King James Bible Online. Retrieved January 26, 2025, from https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Kings-Chapter-6_Original-1611-KJV/


iii English (1572) Bishops Bible : Matthew Parker, Thomas Crammer : Free download, borrow, and streaming : Internet Archive. (1572). Internet Archive. https://archive.org/details/1572-bishops-bible/page/n457/mode/2up



The word "King" (line 21) — 
 
The word King is the 17th word from “Reckning” (reckoning), the first word of line 19; therefore, it might form another 1740 solution with the word “Kings,” the 40th word on the page. 

Applying the same method to “King” as we did to “Kings” to arrive at a chapter in the Bible, “King” is the second “King[s]” on the page, so “2 Kings.” Next, there are seven (7) words that follow “King” on line 21, so “2 Kings 7.” The 17th verse (2 Kings 7:17) is—


2 Kings 7:17



17 And the King gaue the prince (on whose hand he leaned) the charge of the gate,& the people trode vpon him in the gate, and he dyed, as the man of God had said, which spake it, when the King came downe to him.


The Geneva Bible 1560 : God : Free download, borrow, and streaming : Internet Archive. (2012b, June 12). Internet Archive. (spelling and format as in the original). (footnote shown only in the image). https://archive.org/details/TheGenevaBible1560/page/n339/mode/2up


In this Bible verse the word “gate” (L., porta means “gate, door”) is mentioned twice, and the first appearance of the word falls directly above the other The Geneva Bible, so there is a hint at “two-door[s]” (“Tudor[s]”). 

In addition, the second appearance of the word “King” in the text is the 40th word of the verse if the ampersand (&) is not counted as a word, so in verse 17 the 40th word is King, and since 1740 is the “code number” of Edward de Vere, the allusion is that he is “King 1740” (i.e., Edward de Vere is a prince/king).

It is also interesting that a prince (or lord) in the verse is placed in charge of the “gate” (i.e., “Tudor”) — in a sense, he is the “guardian” (L., tutor) of the gate — and is trampled by the people.  The explanation at note 1 (shown only in the image) states that the “people pressed out of the gate.” In Latin, foras (adverbial accusative) means to go “out through the doors, out of doors, forth, out (destination).”i  Foris, a synonym of foras, means, as a noun, “door, gate, opening, entrance.”  As an adverb, foris means “outside, outdoors (location).” (Foras is mostly of direction, foris of location.)ii  The meanings of both words— “outdoors” — is an anagram of the name “Tudor.” 
 
If the 2 Kings 7:17 reference was placed in the text as a clue, it may allude to Thomas Seymour's horrible guardianship of, and affair with, Lady Elizabeth Tutor, which resulted in Elizabeth becoming pregnant and giving birth to Edward de Vere.  It may also allude to Thomas Seymour’s eventual downfall because of his actions.
 
i foras - Wiktionary, the free dictionary. (n.d.). Wiktionary. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/foras#Latin


ii foris - Wiktionary, the free dictionary. (n.d.). Wiktionary.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/foris#Latin


 
Francis Bacon clues around line 33--

In the portion of the text around line 33 there are clues pointing to Francis Bacon (the number 33 is the simple cipher of the letters in the name Bacon):

Francis Bacon clues at line 33 of The Rape of Lucrece.
 

 

 


Francis Bacon clues at line 33 of The Rape of Lucrece.



Francis Bacon clues at line 33 of The Rape of Lucrece.